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Bobcat Goldthwait on cancel culture, his "rivalry" with Seinfeld, and what the internet gets wrong about Robin Williams

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• Start date Oct 27, 2021

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• #51

This only reaffirms my suspicion that Seinfeld the show succeeded despite Jerry, rather than because of him.

I thought everyone agreed it was the supporting cast and wacky one shot characters that drove the show

• #52

Thank you. I had no idea Jerry dated a 17 year old when he was 38. Damn dude. And Jerry went ALL in in Bob. Like holy shit, those quotes from him...I never realized that Seinfeld is kind of an asshole.

to be fair I'm pretty sure goldthwait dated someone who was 18 or 19 when he was in his 30s. Big comedians around then (and now) get away with a lot and I think a lot of them are arseholes sadly

• #53

17?

you learn something new about a person every day.

im glad ive never seen an episode of his show.

• #54

Bobcat called him out on stuff that he deserved to be called out on and Seinfeld got butthurt and never got over it.

• #55

"Jerry's talent was being friends with Larry David. Larry went on to have a hit show without him, and Jerry does a show with a GoPro."

Brrrrrrrn.Not accurate but still a good burn.

• #56

This only reaffirms my suspicion that Seinfeld the show succeeded despite Jerry, rather than because of him.

I'm not going to be the guy who's like "i never liked them anyway" whenever someone turns out to be an asshole or whatever i always cringe at that
But i would be surprised if people favorite out of the main cast is Jerry personally George and Elaine were funnier and my family who love Seinfeld love Kramer

• #57

When are you going to direct another horror film, Bobcat? Willow Creek was excellent.

I know he's done horror comedy for TV, but I want to see him come back to pure horror.

• #58

My favourite episode of his show is where Jerry interviews Howard Stern. He keeps trying to get a reaction out of Stern who keeps not falling for it. It's a very interesting episode with some jarring editing choices.

I haven't seen that one. What does Jerry do?

• #59

I had no idea Jerry was such an asshole. I am currently watching the show on Netflix for the first time. I am towards the end. Jerry is actually a pretty terrible actor and it's jarring relative to the other cast. Also the fact he had the audacity to play as himself like come on. It's pretty narcistic. Also in Season 4, there was this thing about the pilot show he was working with George. I still don't understand what it's about. Like it seems they just made the same show inside the show. I thought it was really weird.

• #60

(Holds breath clicks link)

Oh thank god.

• #61

Sorry to dogpile but I personally believe that Seinfeld would be way better without Jerry. Or, better, with Larry David in place of him.

• #62

to be fair I'm pretty sure goldthwait dated someone who was 18 or 19 when he was in his 30s. Big comedians around then (and now) get away with a lot and I think a lot of them are arseholes sadly

I think he was 35/36 when he started dating 19/20 yo Nikki Cox.

• #63

I thought everyone agreed it was the supporting cast and wacky one shot characters that drove the show

I think it was the chemistry between the four leads, and if you remove any one of them it all falls apart. The supporting cast is fine, but also a little too over the top to watch every week... would you really watch 100+ episodes of the Frank Costanza Show?

• #64

I think it was the chemistry between the four leads, and if you remove any one of them it all falls apart. The supporting cast is fine, but also a little too over the top to watch every week... would you really watch 100+ episodes of the Frank Costanza Show?

I think if you replaced Jerry with almost anyone else who had chemistry with the others, the show would have been just as good or better

• #65

I used to watch a lot of stand-up in the '90s, when A&E still meant Arts and Entertainment, and Bobcat was always entertaining. Police Academy is just a blip, really.

Also in Season 4, there was this thing about the pilot show he was working with George. I still don't understand what it's about. Like it seems they just made the same show inside the show. I thought it was really weird.

Yeah, that's when Seinfeld almost jumped the shark. The whole idea behind Seinfeld was it was "a show about nothing". So when the characters decided to pitch a show about nothing to the network, suddenly it became a show about something.

The audience was relieved when they dropped that storyline.

• #66

I used to watch a lot of stand-up in the '90s, when A&E still meant Arts and Entertainment, and Bobcat was always entertaining. Police Academy is just a blip, really.

Yeah, that's when Seinfeld almost jumped the shark. The whole idea behind Seinfeld was it was "a show about nothing". So when the characters decided to pitch a show about nothing to the network, suddenly it became a show about something.

The audience was relieved when they dropped that storyline.

Yeah. The plotline was quickly pushed under the rug. So it was basically discussing how the real Jerry Seinfeld show started?

• #67

Reading now.

I didn't realize there was anything between him and Seinfeld. Like...at all.

I didn't remember it either, but then this was what Bobcat was wearing on the first video i just pulled up at random:

• #68

Comedians complaining about cancel culture is basically an entitled group of overly sensitive assholes who can't handle their acts getting criticized, see it as an attack, circle the wagons, whine into a microphone from a platform at an audience about how they're being canceled, and they're the victims for not being able to spread hate and bigotry without consequence. Such a transparent, pathetic, worn out shtick. Comedians are supposed to be funny, but these ones are just fucking sad.

• #69

Jerry Seinfeld is a massive asshole. You couldn't tell by the way he acts in... everything?

To be fair, when you watch a character in a sitcom that goes by his real name, you expect his behavior to be a sensationalized depiction. I imagine that's what Larry David does in Curb since it wouldn't otherwise be possible for him to recognize the humor in all of it and sell it as humor.

But if anything, Jerry's character may actually be sanitized in the case of its depiction on Seinfeld. I liked the show, but every time I heard Jerry Seinfeld the real person talk outside of the show, he sounds like a real creep without a sense of humor.

Also, it's amazing hearing him lay into Bobcat for not being funny because Seinfeld's standup is the most safe, unfunny crap in the business today. Watching his standup is like eating a box of dry saltines. It's beyond safe. It's sesame street humor.

The show was good though.

• #70

He's the guy on the right in It's Always Sunny.

I'm just saying as a viewer who pays absolutely no attention on any of them behind the scenes, not sure why you assume we'd all come to the same conclusion. It's a show, I don't expect it to be an accurate depiction of anyone.

Umm sorry to correct you but that's actually Dennis. Here, I'll spell it out for you.

• #71

The whole premise of Seinfeld is that everyone is selfish and egotistical. That's why IASIP is considered a spiritual successor, because theyre all pretty bad people. See: the Seinfeld finale.

The difference is Jerry is actually incredibly selfish and egotistical, his entire comedy brand is how stupid everyone else is. And he considers himself the kwisatz haderach of the old school Carson stand up. Im pretty sure people enjoy his sitcom despite him.

• #72

Even in Seinfeld they go out of their way to tell you these are horrible shallow people.

• #73

Even in Seinfeld they go out of their way to tell you these are horrible shallow people.

Finale ended with them being arrested for being assholes that ruined peoples lives

(even if the trial is bullshit and they're getting arrested for doing nothing wrong and being an asshole isn't illegal lol)

• #74

I agree with Bobcat. Say what you want. Show your ass. Get it kicked.

• #75

Jerry Seinfeld is a massive asshole. You couldn't tell by the way he acts in... everything?

The worst is Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. Just him and a friend huffing their own farts in overpriced cars for thirty minutes. He comes off as unbearably smug, entitled, and out of touch.

• #76

When are you going to direct another horror film, Bobcat? Willow Creek was excellent.

I know he's done horror comedy for TV, but I want to see him come back to pure horror.

How did I miss Bobcat did a Bigfoot horror movie?! Gotta check it out now.

• #77

The worst is Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. Just him and a friend huffing their own farts in overpriced cars for thirty minutes. He comes off as unbearably smug, entitled, and out of touch.

And in every interview the past decade or so he always seems to make a big point about how hard he's working these days. I think he's actually just incredibly sensitive about being retired.

• #78

He's a huge asshole lol. Pretty much anytime you see him in interviews and stuff nowadays he comes off like a massive prick.

His performative fawning over Letterman in that Netflix interview made me wince like I'd taken a rugby ball to the groin

• #79

Seinfeld was never funny and it's show being successful always bothered me. Has bobcat done any recent standup, I've only seen shows he's been in.

• #80

And in every interview the past decade or so he always seems to make a big point about how hard he's working these days. I think he's actually just incredibly sensitive about being retired.

I mean his most recent prominent film credit is now a big meme for Zoomers

He's beyond retired

• #81

I agree with Bobcat. Say what you want. Show your ass. Get it kicked.

Didn't Bill Burr said the same thing when some host tried to drag him into the culture war shit

• #82

I actually was dreading his reaction to "cancel culture" because I assumed he was likely a shit head. Glad he's a cool dude. I also agree with him on George Carlin. Maybe he would have been against "cancel culture" but he'd call these fucksticks out with their shameful shit too.

• #83

Don't forget the time when Jerry visited an IDF anti-terrorist training camp. The guy is the fucking worst which is such a bummer considering how great the rest of the cast is on Seinfeld.

Also just as a reminder: Steve Bannon is still making money off Seinfeld.

• #84

I hate how they act like people being upset about a comedy routine is a new thing. When I was a kid, I remember a huge uproar about Andrew Dice Clay's routine. How was that any different from now?

• #85

I hate how they act like people being upset about a comedy routine is a new thing. When I was a kid, I remember a huge uproar about Andrew Dice Clay's routine. How was that any different from now?

Less internet and making cancel culture into a thing we should care about at least in regards to celebrities

• #86

Bobcat gets it right. Whether its on a stage, in public, or on the internet, most attempts at humor just aren't funny. It takes a rare person that can do "offensive" humor. Saying something shitty to or about someone and then passing it off as "Relax! It was just a joke!" doesn't cut it if what you said wasn't actually clever or insightful. And, let's face it, 99% of the time that's the case.

• #87

Didn't Bill Burr said the same thing when some host tried to drag him into the culture war shit

I have no idea?

• #88

Only time I ever laughed at Jerry Seinfeld was when Gilbert Gottfried was impersonating him on drugs.

"My fingers have turned into little people. Who ARE these people??"

• #90

looked bobcat up on youtube, he seems so different, maybe i did just expect him to be his police academy character wtf

• #91

Bobcat with straight facts. His bit about Carlin there is so accurate, Carlin would've found a way to navigate comedy and still be fucking profoundly hilarious in any time period

• #92

What a pointless feud. There's no comparing what Seinfeld and Bobcat are each trying to accomplish with their comedy. Jerry is an incredible standup for mainstream audiences—a total master of the relatable, observational joke. Something like God Bless America is just so completely antithetical to that. I enjoy both but I'm sure there are plenty of fans of one who would hate the other, and vice versa—as Jerry and Bobcat seem to.

• #93

What a pointless feud. There's no comparing what Seinfeld and Bobcat are each trying to accomplish with their comedy. Jerry is an incredible standup for mainstream audiences—a total master of the relatable, observational joke. Something like God Bless America is just so completely antithetical to that. I enjoy both but I'm sure there are plenty of fans of one who would hate the other, and vice versa—as Jerry and Bobcat seem to.

There doesn't seem to be a feud. This isn't about comparing styles of comedy. It's just commenting on Jerry's insecurities around "cancel culture"/accountability.

• #94

Bobcat with straight facts. His bit about Carlin there is so accurate, Carlin would've found a way to navigate comedy and still be fucking profoundly hilarious in any time period

And Carlin was opposed to punching down which is what many of the comedians complaining about "cancel culture" routinely do in their acts.

• #95

There doesn't seem to be a feud. This isn't about comparing styles of comedy. It's just commenting on Jerry's insecurities around "cancel culture"/accountability.

Was more commenting on the additional backstory mentioned as the thread has gone along—they've been taking swings at each other since the 90s. The cancel culture thing is just the latest.

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